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VLADIMÍR HIRSCH: THE ASSENT TO PARADOXON
Interview with Vladimír Hirsch for RUMORE magazine
First of all i wanna ask you how is born the idea to release the box 'The Assent To Paradoxon', and maybe if there's a common tie, in musical explorations and concepts,
in the choice of the seven chapters included. For example, in works like Sense Geometry,, Concert Industriel Pour Orgue or Symphony N.4,
I've noticed the will to elaborate a structure of sound deeply cinematographic and ipnotic/theatrical, a sort of 'cosmic voyage' like in the German cosmic tradition of the 70es
(i think to act like Popol Vuh or Amon Duul, like approach essentially)...
The idea of the box-set with 7 albums is the child of my publisher Mauro Casagrande. Because the majority of my main works has corresponding ideological concepts, it was not difficult to be inspired
to formation of a relatively homogenous collection from this point of view. This concept is as an irritable proclamation of a seeming oxymoron expressed in their unitive name confessing
the rejection of materialistic rationalism, regnant to the modern history of human. I waited for official release of my solo works very long time, therefore idiomatic compatibility of the collection
components is not fully conceptual and represents rather the choice of works surveying particular periods of the evolution of my compositional style as well as the same process in sound
creative principles of my music. In all works are present similar approaches to sound construction, from strictly divided roles of particular means of expression in Sense Geometry to Exorcisms or Les scènes ardentes, where
instrumental and non-instrumental sound sources are emancipated. That "cosmic" element you mention is expressed in various intensity in all work of mine,
allegorically expressing some kind of philosophically antithesis in confrontation between spiritual and materialistic world, which struggle is substantial theme of my works.
It is not a "idée fixe" but only an attribute, representing by its characteristics the space of our mind in opposition to the monodimensional limitation of our thinking by load of the matter.
Maybe I will disappoint you - however you can find some connotation between my works and traditions you mentioned - I was not influenced by them and my essential stimuli for
using of that element arose naturally from the antagonism between my personal opinion "equipment" and the milieu of consumption idolatery.
I consider magistral your ability to arrange a clever cohesion between classical-avantgarde structures and the industrial-ambient futuristic ones.
Expecially the ability to create, in your compositions, a contemporary translation of sacred and liturgical music, of its tension and lyricism.
Can you tell me how is growth this kind of process in your compositions?
In advance, I have to appreciate your expression “cohesion”, because it is a crucial moment in understanding of my trying. Not accidental style mutation, not experimental mix,
but the unity of means of expression, enabling to musical form to be a fully sufficient transcending vehicle of the idea - this is the basic goal of my musical concept.
My musical erudition is classical and my education catholic. I began composing quite early as organ and piano player and got acquainted with treasures of the baroque liturgical and sacral music of Monteverdi, Pergolesi, Zelenka or Bach. Later I went through a long period of jazz and rock inclinations from post-punk to martial-industrial to return back in a spiral to my classical roots. Not losing all love for these influences and inspired by them and modern (Janáček, Britten) or contemporary (Kabeláč, Ligeti) classics, I had gradually looked for my own expression. I am innerly akin to ideas of the neothomism, nevertheless full of skepticism to contemporary vulgarization of any idea. I also reject a mass import of infantile paganism and satanism into the dark-ambient sphere that step by step became the background for music dilettantism hiding behind first-signal catchy and effective yet purposefully artificial mysteries with zero content. I did not and don’t want to document invalidity of generally accepted thesis or rather prejudice of negative polarity in using the music language of contemporary postindustrial milieu in relation to Christian ideas. It never was my problem, I express my ideas in a way I consider natural and regarding the permanent fight between spirituality and despiritualized reality in my works this kind is an ideal language for me.
In extenso - from what was said - I realize, that my music is very hardly acceptable for conservative classical milieu as much as for various dark ambient, industrial and postindustrial scenes
I don’t feel affinity with.
Regarding the dramatic/spiritual tension of your music research, which are the primary classical reference of you?...
Personally, i think to the romantic tension of Wagner, Schubert and Berlioz, to the 'requiem fugues' of Bach,
or the avantgarde expressionism painted by Schoenberg, Ligeti and Nitsch. Really, i consider your approach really innovative and singular respect the common
way to face the avantgarde and electronic dimensions.
I know that the influence of classical music is apparent in my work. It is necessary to say that my aims are much more in the area of new contemporary forms of this kind of music, than in dark ambient or other industrial offsets, however I work with industrial, noise and ambient sounds and structures. I focus on contemporary classical musical form with an attempt to enhance its action potential by modern means of expression. I attempt to resume the tradition of rich central European musical history since baroque and above all 20th century Czech, other Slavic and Eastern and Central European modernism. I draw inspiration from at first Leoš Janáček, Igor Stravinsky, further also Miloslav Kabeláč, Györgyi Ligeti or Giacinto Scelsi. If there is any romantic influence, its origin can be seen rather in Dvořák choral works than in Wagner, Schubert and Berlioz that did not address me absolutely, however some martial or space attributes of my music can lead to the idea you described. Generally, my philosophical ideas are primarily inspired by classicism and romantic era, tonal principles stepwise by atonality, serialism and polymodality and compositional style of postindustrial era, pushing me to search for an order in chaos. I try to attain my own clear-cut position both in tone creative principles and in composition style, enhancing expressional agenses of orchestration by the work with sound where I want to show innovative role of not quite musical components. Unlikely the traditional "musique concrète", I want to reach an organic incorporation of seemingly distinct or irreconcilable elements into the living form. My aim is not simple synthesis, but in formal language another step of this formation on its way to natural integration of tonality into atonality, classical into postindustrial, etc. But this is only a music-theory description; it is a more matured transubstantiation of form into a morphologically purer structure. Once again the effort is more obviously aimed not at getting some chemical compound but an indecomposable element. This is a brief description of my formal attitudes to composing.
Descent From The Cross is a concept voyage inspired by the Dostoevsky's interpretation of the so called 'Christ in The Tomb' painting by Hans Holbein, a work that recover in itself (and for Dostoevsky too) the problem of evil in men and in the world: the death of resurrection, the absence of faith and hope caused by the strenght (its physic violence - the body of Christ - and panical side) of nature.
I've got two curiosity in my question: 1) The chapters are 7, an important number from the esoterical point of view, and suggest references to the plagues, the apocalypse and the seals. What kind of study have you faced for translate its in music?
2) Can we compare the tragical perception of the body of Christ after the Passion like the body/face of the today's Europe condition, expecially after the fall of the ideas that moved the 20th century...
Can we read this tragic feeling in your compositions, beyond the music styles?
ad 1) I am aware of a subconscious working of this kind of symbolism, living inside by its own life. I am not too well-educated in numerology, therefore I must reject intentional translation of similar principles into music, nevertheless I cannot refuse some subliminal acceptation of those connotations originating in biblical numeric symbology. Therefore I would like to remind that number 7 represents not only apocalypse as the catastrophic end of the world but also the beginning of life of a new quality. Number 7 means also light, understanding and studious delivery. No doubt, I would not choose number six (lol).
ad 2) This opus is inspired originally by Dostoevsky's interpretation of Hans Holbein’s painting as a polemic with his questioning of the Christian faith in Christ's resurrection, since the level of cogency in portraying a truly dead body is strikingly exposed in the works of the German artist. I try to create a immersed and painful perception on the one hand, dominated by uncertainty and doubt, but through the belief in spiritual strength inclined to hope and strife for the fulfilling of the faith's thesis on the other hand, however only in contours, because tragic feeling, arose from contemporary destruction of values you keep in mind (not only European), is prevalent.
Exorcisms and Nonterra express the sides more archaic, abstract, gothic, martial and apocalyptic, of your musical speech. Can you tell me what kind of thematic face these chapters?
Is right my perception of a 'liquid (or sidereal) subconscious emanation', like in a Lovecraft novel ?
I understand that the name "Exorcisms" evokes some medieval connotations but I must anticipate that its genuine sense here embodies in its simple general interpretation – as a prayer,
serving to exemption from maleficiencial tendencies. This album is another kind of my traditional theme of permanent struggle of two antagonistic forces in human, musically described as harmonic
and sound thesis and antithesis in one, their cross-fades, changes, mutual interferences and emphasis on consciousness of necessity of their coexistence.
Nevertheless – as you noticed – I don’t conceal my sympathy to archaic. It arose from generally false sight of the past and today. I cannot fight off conviction of the presence of spiritual brightness
of "dark ages" and the darkness of absence of that quality in proclaimed "bright" modern period.
Nonterra works with similar problematics illustrated by musical issue of modern classical and ambient clash with periodically repeating elements
of fashionable trends of pop music, which are attacking in their rhythmic structures and melodic motifs. They become their inner destructive agent and challenge
of tattiness and degradation of human feeling, governing the conventional taste. It is obvious though that the tout ensemble is skeptical as the end states sadness from status quo,
loneliness and weakness of the individual, e.g. disbelief in a practical possibility to overcome the overwhelming anthropocentrism of contemporary human.
I think the title NONTERRA, thus NONEARTH, is more than explicit in this context.
Presenting my tendencies and symbolism in previous answers I also indirectly answered the question about presupposed connection with
Lovecraft´s work that might be at hand but from the point of view of its philosophical concept embodies out of my radius.
Besides – however diametrically different in its interpretation - is that abstract in itself so different that cannot be compared with Theilhard´s cosmological visions?
With Sense Geometry you've released a musical process considering some geometrical figures. Triangles, Circles, Pentagons, Tetragons, are symbols used
historically from the traditional science, for release buildings too like symbols of the spiritual centre of the earth/world. Is there this will, musically,
to translate the human need to research the origin of our being?
Sense Geometry is a conceptual album, based on fictive geometric symbolism of certain mechanisms of the human psyche.
It is an attempt to detect or prove the existence of a certain order in illusory chaos. You can understand it as some kind of musical application of mathematical theory of fractals,
a sort of "fractal musical geometry". To this purpose I use signals of intervals, rhythm, sound structuralization and instrumentation logic.
Sound and instrumentation of the compositions plays the role of the chaotic and likewise irritating element, rhythm and intervals the role of order go-between,
directing the attention to another levels of seeing things.
Stefano Morelli
journalist of the paper mags Rumore & :Ritual
June 12, 2008
SKROL: DANCES AND MARCHES FOR THE ORPHAN AGE Interview with Vladimír Hirsch for UNDERWORLD magazine
Going through some history, the music on this album was originally written in 1997. Why was it not released then ?
In summer 1997, I prepared the framework of an album formed by my suite with rather Tom Saivon´s laconic name “Dances and Marches”.
We finished it together in 1999, yet the outcome of our studio work disappointed us. So this project was laid aside for some time.
Then the album was adapted again and again, I included some entirely new composition versions and it was finalized in 2002.
Why have you felt the need to remake it on 2002? Again, why was it not released then ?
Skrol released their first two albums (“Heretical Antiphony” and “Insomnia Dei”) at the German label Membrum Debile Propaganda and American label Chromosome. The MDP promised to release “Dances and Marches” as well. The communication with the publisher was troublesome, we could not accept his conditions (plus his label collapsed and disappeared mysteriously in the end). Well, we looked for another label. We have not succeeded until the verge of 2004 when I was addressed by Rui Carvalheira from Dagaz Music and we reached an fruitful agreement.
Finally on 2005, it sees the light of day. Why have you chosen Dagaz Music for the release? Were you aware it was also their first release ever?
Did you know Rui Carvalheira or his work prior to this release ?
It was in the luck of the draw. I got to know Rui based of his interest in some of my recordings.
His deeper feeling for this kind of music induced our further communication. In the frame of our talk I asked him one day if he was interested in releasing some of our projects.
I did not anticipate that thanks to it Rui would decide to establish the label and Skrol would become its first release.
We appreciate it very much and hope deeply to continue in embarked cooperation.
A quick step into this: how do you feel about Dagaz Music's work? Has it lived up to your expectations ?
I was thrilled by such a helpful attitude and fast realization. After all, the album was release three months later!
The same we can say on the address of our Czech publisher / label Epidemie Records (www.epidemie.cz) who is responsible and takes care of our another project Aghiatrias,
planning its fourth release “Ethos” for autumn 2005.
Back to the album, do you think "Dances And Marches For The Orphan Age" still maintains the original spirit of when you wrote it for the first time?
Or has the music and its message evolved throughout the years ?
The original idea of the project has not changed, nevertheless it was satisfyingly realized with formal and expression revisions.
I dare to say that the development happened in spiral. Strangely enough, I was actually more satisfied with the original instrumental recording from 1997 that the studio outcome in 1999. In our opinion, the intent was reached definitively on a higher level.
Do you think the artistic content is still updated nowadays, almost 10 years after it was originally written ?
The final version respects the original pattern; some means of expression were innovated, respectively by means of them we have reached the intended form.
How do you describe the music on "Dances And Marches For The Orphan Age"?
Album is based on a more volcanic and martial conception than previous works.
The dominant theme is one of abandonment of a socially unacceptable individual, who seeks the raison d’ętre of his existence and of the world, where he is forced to live, its premises,
theorems, their impeachment and yearning for catharsis. The compositions often emanate from a sort of gaping void, akin to an open chasm.
Yet it is not a void in the proper sense of the word, since within we feel the presence of something beyond our rationality.
The impression of a broad respiring depth, whose dark mouth is surrounded by human mass, where emotionally wrought faces surface from anonymity.
The individual visions of the differing inclinations of SKROL’s individual members are projected here over a matrix of a unifying philosophical substratum of the ever-present existential theme.
Skrol current line-up is still the original one, something not easy to accomplish is the actual music scene. Do you Martina and Tom are an essential part of Skrol's music?
How can you describe your relation with them and the creative process on "Dances And Marches For The Orphan Age" ?
Since the very beginning Skrol are trio Vladimír Hirsch – Martina Sanollová – Tom Saivon, whose roles are relatively unequivocally determined.
Composition, instrumentation and main final form of the album is my domain. Martina is an author and main interpret of solo vocal parts, Tom writes lyrics and as a sound alchemist brings up
samples, noise substances and produced this album. We are alter ego of each other. It always has been so and is in the case of the latest work as well.
Moving away from the music itself, Tom is the author of Skrol's lyrics. Has he developed all the lyrical concept on "Dances And Marches For The Orphan Age"?
How can you describe the lyrical concept on this album ?
There is a specific idea of Skrol philosophy. We present our own vision, perception of life and spiritual values. The lyrical concept embraces the variety of themes, emotional outburst stemming out
from the existentialist distrust and eternal dispute between man and God. The lyrical part is the result and expression of dialogue between the three of us.
That territory of imaginary plains represents pain, suffering and our inner strifes between good and evil and understanding the unity and integrity of all things.
The impossibility to consider them indivisible. We feel like orphans but we see the light and hope as well.
Why the choice of the dead dove on the album cover? Has war definitely overcome all possibilities of peace?
Do you believe in the concept of peace globally, or do you think it's simply not feasible ?
The dove is not taken as a traditional symbol only – its heart stabbed by sword represents the dead spirituality of today as well.
Yet, it is not terminated note but call for a change, memento and alarm. We are not resigned, we fight for spirit of things systematically decimated by society and we fight against the inconclusiveness of materialism and globally accepted anthropocentric paradigm as a path to death of this world. In this context, photo collages on the cover are designed in form of a negative. It symbolizes the inverted sight of reality and also remark that each inversion has its opposite, the positive.
What is the Orphan Age? When the music was originally written or now? Both? None ?
We are aware that the spirit is adrift in this world, secluded in the middle of broadly accepted spiritlessness. That’s why our time is the age of orphans.
We realize our music might be found in the role of an uncomfortable artefact. This understanding especially pertains to its presumed misinterpretation as a basically disturbing message.
Looking a bit more into the past, this is Skrol's third full length.How do think the music has evolved since the first release up until now?
Does the music reflect your own improvement as an individual, or do you think you have been able to improve yourself due to the music you write ?
I hope both ways assert themselves, but evaluation of the result is none of our business.
Moving the light from the project to the person, how do you devone the cultural heritage present in the music?
Do you think your own origins and historical background have a huge impact on the music you write ?
I focus on contemporary classical musical form with an attempt to enhance its action potential by modern means of expression and by searching for specific processes.
I attempt to resume the tradition of rich central European musical history since baroque and above all 20th century Czech and other Slavic music.
I draw inspiration from first Leoš Janáček, Igor Stravinskij, later also Miloslav Kabeláč. I try to attain my own clear-cut position both in tone creative principles as in composition style
and to enhance expressional agenses of orchestration by the work with sound. I want to show new important role of not quite musical components in it.
This is description of my formal attitudes to composing only.
Can you give us some insight on your musical background? How were you introduced to music? What drove you to play music, and specifically this kind of music ?
I started as piano and organ player, yet never was attracted to interpret somebody else’s compositions, I wanted to create my own music.
I have been composing since the age of 16 but it took a very long time to find the philosophy, style and form of the work that I could consider as self-revelation.
I revere roots and tradition of music from my region. It was always imbued by philosophy I resonate with.
Therefore it is a question of historical context. Of course, my heart belongs to different faces of music as well, e.g. Swans or Art Zoyd.
Based on this, my idea of integrated music was born, grew out of it. Music which is not any sort of artificial synthesis, yet through the natural process evolves into pure, further indivisible substance.
This specific process was described in several essays of mine.
Do you have any philosofical / political belief? How does that belief reflects in your music ?
I am a Catholic, more of philosophical than practical type. I felt a strong impact of novotomists in forefront with Pierre Theilhard de Chardin and by writers Graham Greene and Francois Mauriac.
I firmly believe that my philosophical mindset has been reflected in music I create. However, I don’t express thesises, sometimes I use instead methods of a very strong confrontation which might
possibly results in controversial output. But it’s not, I stand for the belief there is no cognition without opinion conflict.
Besides Skrol, you also have Aghiatrias and Zygote as musical projects. What are the main differences between the three? Why do you feel the need to explore three different musical paths ?
Skrol is a project which doesn’t completely deny residues of rock principles. At least minimally, it is music paying respect to traditional song form. Aghiatrias is a more abstract sprout of
morphologically complex sound constructions and compositional techniques. Zygote is a dialogue of two stances, the rock-simple composition geometry on the one hand and less
graspable amorphous noise structures on the other.
Now that this album has seen the light of day, what are your projects for the future, both with Skrol and besides Skrol?
Are you already at work on another project, or still focusing only on this work's promotion ?
This April, I have finished my solo work „Nonterra“ and currently we are working with Tom on 4th Aghiatrias album „Ethos“. Meanwhile we are preparing the remaster of Zygote
album „Geometrie nevědomí“ that is planned to be released by Dagaz Music at the eve of this year.
Are any live performances scheduled for the promotion to this album? From what I've read (I still hadn't the chance to see you live), your live performances are quite a treat.
Any memories that pop to mind of some special live appearance? Any plans to play in Portugal in the future ?
For sure, our performances are rare and controversial in its oppressive and uncompromising nature and impact. Sometimes, the difference between our studio output and live performance
expression is quite strongly present. Since Skrol beginning in 1997, we have played mostly in Czechia, Poland, Slovakia, Germany, Holland and also toured the USA once.
We use our own Skrol stage strategy - special and various means of visualization, including masks, fire effects and video projection. With Rui, we plan live shows in Sintra and
Portugal in general next spring.
Just to wrap things up, what's the thing that most excites and disgusts you in the music scene nowadays? Are there any projects that caught your attention lately ?
I feel so much absorbed by music I create that there is not often space and mood for listening to another one.
If I am able to give an ear to any other music, mostly it´s the one far from that type I compose. I might find just only few projects that attract my attention in last years.
Lately, for example German perfo-artist CO Caspar and Czech project Tábor Radosti. Considering my disgust you are asking, I will try to choose only the peaks of it.
Above all, there are many multiethnic hybridisms and various fashion styles which remind me jazz-rock masturbation of seventies.
Concluding in short, I am not markedly interested in other music. Don’t get me wrong but this is not ignorance or neglecting.
Henrique Pereira, 20.5.2005
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